Supplements

Eating a low histamine diet is a must if you want to have a chance at controlling, and hopefully eliminating the itching and hot flashes related to elevated histamine. I find using supplements is also a must to control the itching and flashes. I’ve never really believed in supplements before, having always read that it makes expensive pee, and that you should get all your nutrition from whole foods, but I could not have the quality of life I have now with this problem without them. I’ve always been into herbal medicine, and most of this is food derived, so I’ve come to terms with it all. Also, I am constantly refining my choices of supplements and adding foods that are antihistamine to help control this issue.

If you google supplements for histamine intolerance you’ll find the same few listed on many sites: Quercetin with Bromelain, Vitamin C, and Vitamin B6. I’ve also found Olive Leaf extract to be helpful. These are in addition to eating antihistaminic foods.

So the most popular supplements to take are:

Querecetin with Bromelain
Quercetin is found in the skins of many fruits and vegetables. Apples and red onions are a couple of examples. Of course the problem is you cannot eat enough apples to get the amount of Quercetin to help you control your problem.

I take anywhere between 1000 to 2000 mgs depending on the day I’m having. You can buy Quercetin without Bromelain, but the Bromelain is supposed to make the Quercetin more absorbable. I still don’t really understand because pineapple is high in histamine and that’s where Bromelain comes from, but I’ve taken it with only positive effects.

Vitamin C
I recently read that Magnesium should be taken with Vitamin C, so I now take Magnesium Ascorbate instead of ascorbic acid. I think it has made a difference. If you can’t find magnesium ascorbate I would at least take an ascorbic acid powder rather than capsules or tablets. I personally think it works better. And by works I mean Vitamin C is an antihistamine, so during some itchy moments I’ve taken it to reduce itching and it seems to help.

I take about 1500 mgs of Vitamin C. Depending on what you read, some sources say don’t take more than 200 mgs and some say you can take 2000. Some people mega-dose up to twenty thousand, but I wouldn’t do that. You excrete the excess so you don’t really need to worry aout it building up in your system, but that still seems scary to me.

Olive Leaf Extract
This is fast becoming a favorite course of action. I started with a tincture but really like the capsule form, specifically the Gaia brand. I am not shilling for the brand, trust me. I just know it works for me. I can use it before I’m going to eat badly and it seems to really prevent an instant flare up. Olive leaf is an antioxidant and an anti viral. It works on cleaning up free radicals. It also strengthens immunity. I really want to read more about this. Histamine intolerance is a result of an over active immune system. That doesn’t mean it’s working better than it should it means it’s dysfunctional. And because Olive Leaf really works for me it bares more research in this direction.

I’ve been taking one capsule before bed at night but have started to use it more during the onset of a reaction and to prevent reactions.

Ginger
I take a 500 mg Ginger capsule before bed also. Ginger is a known antihistamine. Quercetin works on supporting mast cells, Olive Leaf is an antioxidant and anti viral and ginger is an antihistamine. I use crystallized ginger for flare ups too. Often it works great. I can tolerate sugar though. If sugar is not good for you, avoid the crystallized ginger.

Vitamin B6
Proper levels of vitamin B6 is a must to promote the DAO enzyme, necessary in the control of histamine, to function properly. You can get too much B6 however which could be detrimental to your health, so I personally do not supplement with it. There are foods that are high in it. I am vegetarian and have taken a tablespoonful of Nutritional Yeast for years in my morning smoothie, so that’s how I get my fill of B vitamins. Pistachios are high in B6 too. Unfortunately they are high in histamine. Luckily, they are one of those things I can eat if I’ve been careful the rest of the day. So you might want to supplement with Vitamin B6. Just be careful.

My daily regimen

When I get up in the morning I have a glass of water and take a Quercetin with Bromelain capsule. Then I have a smoothie. After the smoothie I take a 100mg Coq10 (prophylactically for migraines) 2 Algal DHA capsules, about 800mg, for Omega 3s (I need to talk about this) 1000mg of Magnesium Ascorbate and a 500mg Ginger root capsule. I’ve recently added the Olive Leaf capsule to the rest of it too.

Then during the day, it completely depends on what my body is doing. Itching will bring out a Quercetin, but tomorrow I’ll probably try an Olive Leaf instead. I also drink ginger tea. If you do this make sure it’s only ginger. Don’t buy teas that have unidentified ingredients like flavor or color.

Before I go to bed at night, no matter what kind of day I’ve had, I take two 800mg Quercetin with Bromelain capsules, a 500mg Ginger capsule and a 450mg Olive Leaf capsule. After weeks and weeks of toying with supplements, it’s this combination that finally worked to eliminate hot flashes, insomnia, and itching at night.

All in all, eating a low histamine diet and finding the right supplements are my best advice to you to manage living with this new issue. I still hope that when my hormones settle down, my histamine issues will resolve, but I have not found anything in all my research that alludes to this. It just makes sense that it would, right?

Update

I’m not going to get the chance right now to explain on this page the connection between olive oil and my healing, so search my site for olive oil to catch up on all the details. But I did want to take a minute to say that in addition to to the supplements listed, I now add a tablespoon of olive oil to my morning smoothie, and take a teaspoon of it right before bed with the rest of my supplements. I also make sure I apply it to my arms and legs at least once a day. My skin is soft and healed from all the scratching and hives, and I think it helps supplement the amount I get considering skin is the largest organ, and it absorbs what you put on it into your bloodstream.

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82 comments on “Supplements
  1. Rosemary says:

    For someone who has trouble swallowing pills that’s a lot of pills! Phew!

  2. Thank you so much for your kind words. Please feel free to share my site with anyone you think it will help.

  3. Sandy says:

    Can you please tell me what is in your morning smoothie? Thank you.

    • Yes, I’ve been wanting to actually post that. Now just remember, I can tolerate other things others can’t, so I as an example I use strawberries which are supposed to be very high in histamine. I’ve also wanted to update my Vitamin B6 entry to discuss Nutritional Yeast so thanks for reminding me! I’m going to list the ingredients in the order I throw them in.

      1 cup water
      1 banana
      Handful of walnuts
      1 tablespoon Red Star Nutritional Yeast (for B12 and B6)
      1/4 teaspoon Kelp flakes
      1 tablespoon of olive oil
      1/4 cup frozen blueberries
      5 frozen strawberries
      About a cup of romaine lettuce

      I have a vitamix high powered blender and can really get this smooth. It’s not that thick. I don’t like thick smoothies. Cut back on the water if you like it thicker. And if you really want a treat, peel and freeze the banana first. It’s really good like that. Almost like adding ice cream.

      I also have played around with other ingredients because is really not that sweet and sometimes I need it a bit sweeter. Sometimes I’ll drizzle in a little molasses. It’s a good source of iron. But some people can’t handle the extra sugar. And sometimes, if I can find it, I’ll use a tablespoon of pure cherry extract.

      I used to make this with spinach, but that’s deadly itchy for me so I can’t do that anymore. And I also make it with almond butter instead of walnuts sometimes, but I need the walnuts for my omega 3.

      The kelp is for iodine which can be lacking in vegetarians so I use that as a supplement on occasion. Not necessarily every day.

      And lastly, I used to use hemp powder but no longer want to because of the omega imbalance thing, so I grind black rice in a coffee grinder and sometimes add a tablespoon of that for protein.

      I think that covers it! I’ve been making smoothies for breakfast for ten years and I just adjust them depending on my nutritional needs. You could use almond milk instead of water, ya know, stuff like that changes. But I have to tell you, I drink it at six in the morning and don’t eat lunch until 11:30, I’m on high school teacher time, and I don’t really get hungry and I have lots of energy to get though the morning.

  4. Sandy says:

    Thank you for answering so fast! 🙂
    Yes everybody tolerates things so differently. Thant’s what also makes this HIT so hard to deal with.
    I myself can not do the banana, nuts, yeast and strawberries (all high histamine). I have never tried the Kelp flakes so I don’t know how it would affect me.
    This post was good to read as it does give me ideas to make different things with the coconut milk smoothie I make around 11-1pm everyday. (I do intermittent fasting.)

    • I happened to be online posting when you dropped in so I jumped on it.

      Yes, I am very lucky that I’ve been able to tolerate many of the things others cannot. As cruel as the histamine intolerance is, it wasn’t half as cruel to me as it is to others .

      But I’m glad I might have sparked some new ideas. If romaine is ok for you maybe try that with mango? Mango is safe for many people. And so is the romaine.

      Coconut milk, mango, romaine, black rice for protein…I could see that come together…

  5. Sandy says:

    Sounds good I’ll have to try that combination. I’m not sure about the black rice. I do white rice very seldom. I don’t tolerate brown rice. I’m also gluten and dairy intolerant on top of HIT. I am sensitive to all grains and even coffee as it cross reacts. I have been doing a Paleo diet (no grains) that works well for me but very limited because of the HIT.

    • Oh my! I didn’t realize. Yes, that’s a much more limited menu you’re dealing with. So then my next suggestion to try oats would be out too then.

      I see lots if histamine intolerant folks on paleo diets. Seems to work pretty well for them. So no beans either than? I practically live off of chickpeas!

  6. Bee says:

    Im surprised u are able to tolerate nutritional yeast… thought yeast was high hist? I miss nooch!!! 🙂

    for protein powder, are u able to tolerate brown rice protein powders or other non-seed plant based proteins?

    Lastly, what is the rest of ur diet/meals like?

  7. I stopped the nutritional yeast for a while when I was in the height of my intolerance, but gradually added it back in. I don’t think I reacted to it too much at all anyway. It’s not the same as an active yeast like for baking, so maybe that’s the difference.And it is high in B vitamins so that’s a plus.

    I can tolerate rice protein but now choose to eat mostly whole foods so I don’t buy packaged things like that. What I do if I want to add some protein powder is grind dry black rice into powder using a coffee grinder and sprinkle a tablespoon into my smoothie.

    My diet, other than the smoothies is basically fruits and vegetables. I eat lots of hummus and rice crackers, and I can eat nuts thankfully. I can eat rye bread and some pasta, rice, black beans, and dried fruit. I eat tons of cabbage, broccoli, butternut squash, apples, pears, cantaloupe, carrots, romaine, bananas, and cucumbers. I can drink white tea and some green tea, and I love Cafix.

    And when I’m out with friends I’ll eat whatever I think won’t be so bad so I will test the waters with pasta dishes and pizza and whatever else I want to risk. But I still stay away from vinegars, pickles, tomato sauce, avocado, cauliflower, beer, and chocolate.

    I’m sure there are things I’m leaving out but that’s a good overview.

  8. K.K. says:

    Would you mind sharing which olive leaf tincture you tried? I have read some differing opinions about alcohol based versus alcohol-free ones for this item in particular, and would be curious to know which one worked for you.

    Of course, we are all different, but every bit of feedback helps. 🙂

    • I was just walking by my iPad when it lit up with your question. I love wordpress. It notifies me when someone makes a comment.

      Anyway, I tried a tincture first, the one from Herb Pharm. I used it but kept reading about others that were supposed to be better, so when I was done with that one I switched to capsules.

      I use the Gaia brand, vegetarian capsules. At Whole Foods they’re 25 dollars a bottle, but you can find them online for as low as 15.

      I take one in the morning and one at night. I have to say, my best friend who I carpool with every morning had undiagnosed bronchitis for three weeks until she finally went to a doctor, and I was in the car and working closely at school with her every day and never once got sick. Practically every kid in my class was sick at the same time with big things like pneumonia and mono and I never even had an inkling of a sneeze!

      I chalk it up to good eating, exercise, and olive leaf capsules. Seriously, I think they really do strengthen your immunity among other things. I just bought another bottle. I think this is my third or fourth.

      I would not be without them!

  9. K.K. says:

    Hi,

    Thanks for the info. 😀 That is cool how you get instant updates.

    I like tinctures in general, and especially when first adding them to my diet.

    I can easily regulate the dosage as needed. Some supplements I take are in capsules, but I find that I better absorb liquids (and sublingual tablets).

    Herb Pharm is a brand I’ve used for one or two items along the way, off and on, as needed. (For example, in the summer, since I do not tolerate hot weather/high humidity, I use Rhodiola Rosea.)

    There are a few brands for olive leaf tinctures that I’ve come across in my searches.

    As you described, I have read lots of information on immunity, and so on.

    Glad it has worked well for you.

    Time for me to try it, once I figure out the best one. 🙂

  10. Kim Konash says:

    Did you ever check into the copper issue? I think I forgot to mention before (though I couldn’t find where I’d posted) that B6 and vitamin c are also co-factors. I also found out that some people with histamine intolerance are low in zinc vs. copper. I’ve been deficient in both, though, and I’m still taking a copper supplement. Many of my symptoms have since improved – blood pressure, blood sugar (which still spikes if I’m not really careful), neurological and digestive symptoms. There is so much out there on copper toxicity that it can be scary (was for me), but I got my blood tests back, and even though I’d already been supplementing, my serum level was low normal (and actually low according to some labs’ reference ranges). I’m planning to get a hair analysis done as soon as I can; I did that years ago and it really helped.

  11. Kim Konash says:

    Thanks for your reply. My answer to that is that I have had some symptom improvement, but it seems to fluctuate with several different factors, including how much zinc I take in in food and hormone fluctuations. Like I said before, I’m flying a bit blind with which kind of supplement and what dosage because I haven’t found a doctor who knows much about this. And I may very well have more than one thing going on. There seems to be some improvement in my intolerances, including the fact that I haven’t had a rash/itching in a long time. My blood pressure has improved as have my GI symptoms. One other thing I discovered recently was that a good quality salt can have anti-histamine effects, and as you already know, so does vitamin c. One morning my mouth started burning…right after I’d eaten or drank something I hadn’t reacted to before, of course…and I drank 8 oz of water with 1/8 tsp each salt and c, and it DID help. The small amount of salt (I use Real Salt) in the water is based on the same concept of a saline IV for hydration, and The Water Cure that says our bodies need about that much salt for every 8 oz of water. Back to the copper issue, though, found out recently that it can also cause magnesium deficiency. I read your post on magnesium ascorbate, which I’ve never tried. I use magnesium chloride topically or in a foot soak, and I got a lot of pain relief from that. For me it seems to absorb better than any supplement formula I’ve tried. I REALLY need to get a hair analysis, which I’ve done before, but it’s going to be about another month before I can afford it.

    • I hope you’re keeping a journal of all this.

      I’ve read about the water cure and the salt and remember trying it for awhile but didn’t see any results, I don’t think I gave it a good chance though. I was pretty itchy at the time and would have rubbed a squirrel over my body if someone told me it would relieve itching! But I found the supplements were working pretty well so I didn’t stick with the water/salt thing.

  12. Kim Konash says:

    I know I should, but I haven’t been. I do pay attention and notice distinct patterns, but although I have a long history as a writer, I haven’t done a lot lately and have never done or been consistent with any kind of journaling. I even keep telling myself, I need to start this this week… but have been overwhelmed trying to “maintain.” I’ve dropped a lot of weight, and am having trouble with weakness, and trying to keep up with 5 children at home by myself and home schooling is more than enough most days.

    I remember reading that histamine intolerance can vary a lot from one person to the next (as most things do), and there isn’t an “in stone” food list of things that every single person can or can’t tolerate (which is part of what makes it hard). So it makes sense that the same remedies won’t help everyone, too. The salt and water thing seems to be a requirement for everyone for general health, though. But again, a lot of that probably depends on how much salt someone is getting in their food, what kind of water they use, what kind of salt, and what their existing mineral balance/toxicities/health conditions are. In my case I’d not been using much salt, wasn’t using any preprepared foods, and was drinking a lot of water but was always thirsty. So it made sense for me to try it. So we’ll see…

    I think trying a squirrel would have been interesting. By the way, have you ever noticed a problem with exercise, especially cardio or aerobic?

    • Ok you have to start journaling! No excuses. (I’m a teacher so that isn’t going to fly!) and if you’re home schooling than when the kids are busy writing you journal with them. Good role modeling ya know.

      Do a little research on iodine too while you’re at it. It’s another one that I’m working on researching and though we need salt we also need iodine. It’s also important for hormonal balance. And if you’re not using iodized salt like so many of us don’t, maybe that’s something else you’re lacking.

      I also want to do a post about exercise. I run twice a week and bike twice a week. I used to practice yoga but had frozen shoulder, so that’s a different post. But yes exercise can trigger histamine release and I used to itch when I ran but I didn’t care. I wasn’t going to stop.

      • Kim Konash says:

        Guess what I found? http://www.foodcanmakeyouill.co.uk/books/Food%20diary.pdf Free food diary 🙂 It’s printed and in a notebook, now I just have to use it. Consistently. That’s going to be my struggle, honestly.

        I actually have done quite a bit of research on iodine, was tested for it with a 24 hr urine test some years ago and found out I was low. I recently tested low on a taste test for it, too, but there’s one conflict. I’m certain that my copper is or was low, and my thyroid has been fluctuating (though I don’t have a very recent test). I read a long article on a thyroid issue that was related to a copper deficiency that indicated you should hold off on supplementing iodine until your copper/thyroid is more under control. I have a low dose of it in one of the supplements I’m taking and also use spirulina; I’m also doing some Real Salt (which contains A LOT of trace minerals, including a small amount of iodine) in water. I don’t want to do too much, though. I’ve lost a lot of weight and am now underweight (5′ 4 1/2″ and 103 lb), so I have to be careful with that. I REALLY wish I could find one doctor who knows more about this issue!

        Right now I’m really weak and intolerant of most activity. I was trying mild/moderate exercise consistently and for a wihle when I got sick; it just continued to make me feel worse, which can be typical of a thyroid problem, even for someone who is in good physical condition. I did find out that while aerobic and cardio (even walking) does release histamine, weights and resistance apparently don’t, and also have health benefits. And probably better than nothing. I wasn’t getting rashes or itching when I exercised; I was getting heart rate and blood pressure problems, which are a little harder to ignore.

      • So you rock’n that food diary now?

  13. Stacy Jones says:

    What brand of c do u use?

  14. Marga says:

    What do you put in your smoothie.

    I drank chocolate protein drinks and chocolate protein bars, now a thing of the past, but would like to make a smoothie.

    What do you think of protein powders?

  15. Kirstin Bonanno says:

    Hi, I just typed into google after suffering from hives for the last 18 months “hormones and hives”. I have had all the food allergy tests and only in the last couple of months have started to see the connection in the particular times of the months and the flare ups, the thing is I’m only 36 and the flare ups mainly occur in the week leading up to my period I don’t have hot flushes but I do feel like I’m going bonkers and I get anxiety that I’ve never had before, do you think that this could be Histamine Intolerance?
    Thanks
    Kirstin

    • Keeping in mind that I’m not a doctor, basing it on what I know of my own body and what others report, yes I think it could be. I had issues with itching for years before I finally figured it all out and that’s because it got to be so out of control.

      But I think I’ve always had a mild form most of my life.

      Start a food diary and maybe eliminate some foods you think are big offenders and start there. If you are intolerant, an elimination diet is a good place to at least start and to figure it out. Come back and ask questions. There are lots of women here who have great advice to offer.

      Dale

  16. beagarth says:

    So nice to find this site! I was just googling kelp and histamine sensitivity. I haven’t been using kelp since I figured it likely has lots of amines if nothing else, but maybe I am wrong? I’d like to be. I just started taking iodized salt again. Not my preference since I like real salt a lot better. But it does seem to be helping my thyroid.

    I have nodules and swelling on the right part of my thyroid on my neck. I just got it biopsied on Friday, so I will know the results in 2 weeks. I now have low normal thyroid levels. I think not having enough iodine in my diet may have contributed to its lower state since I used to have completely normal levels.

    Also on Friday I just started taking moringa from India Organics. It really has given me a boost of energy! Just when I needed it since I am combatting some kind of bug. Amazingly moringa has a lot of amino acids and vitamins, yet appears to be safe for histamine sensitive folks. I first learned of it on the Low Histamine Chef. Apparently moringa is good against cysts and cancer too, as well as being a safe energy boost for those of us with histamine issues.

    Unlike you, I have not tolerated bromelain unfortunately. What I have been using instead is Rutin, which seems to be very good for me. It apparently contains quercitin in it. And is great if you have a problem with thick easily clotting blood, as I do. I used to take nattokinase for this condition but then discovered the supplement was adding to my itchy bitchies! i.e., hives and eczema in all the wrong places. I also eat a lot of green onions and garlic as well as apples, all rich in quercitin.

    For myself I simply cannot tolerate things like yeast or tinctures due to the high histamine/amine content. I am also gluten and lactose/casein intolerant. So I have a pretty careful diet.

    Nevertheless I am starting to branch out. Like you, white beans have worked well for me whereas red beans or anything approaching a color have not. Though recently I made some mean black bean paste and ended up eating quite a lot of it without incident! So I think I am getting better.

    I now can tolerate eating ground up sunflower seeds too, which I couldn’t for quite a while. I have long been nut intolerant (welts and hives) so depended on sunflower seeds in the past. Am so glad to be able to eat them again.

    The big difference I think is adding in betaine HCL as well as vegetarian digestive enzymes.
    As well as just the accretion of time being on a low histamine diet, which seems to be healing in and of itself.

    Now with the (for me) new digestive enzymes and HCL, I tolerate eating frozen wild caught salmon a couple times a week as well as really fresh chicken which I skin and boil immediately and then freeze in small packs. I also now seem to tolerate making a soup with the boiled chicken water that I also freeze. Which has come in handy with this bug I am combatting. In the past all this would have given me migraines…

    Like you I also use olive leaf powder. I boil mine with dandelion root, ginger root, barberry bark, and prickly ash–and then add in wormwood powder afterwards. I have chronic low bp which is why I take the prickly ash. The wormwood, barberry and dandelion are great for the liver and gall bladder as well as downwind, the intestines and urinary tract. They also help take the detox load off the lymphatic system and skin.

    Additionally I often make a tea of mint and rosemary, and/or melissa and/or holy basil. All very antihistamine. Additionally I put basil, rosemary and ginger in most of my food.

    So I am getting better at last thankfully! I still have some issues with dry irritated skin, but not nearly what it was. I do think being post menopause has added to that particular distress. So slowly I am trying to solve that issue too. It takes time and observation, but I think I will eventually get there.

  17. mdepem@gmail.com says:

    HI Dale, I am just coming on board and found you through the Low Histamine Chef. My story is very similar to yours, perfect health until menopause and boom. Thought I was dying. Afraid to eat anything, hives galore, panic attacks which I have never had before, cold numb hands when I eat something wrong. It was awful!. A year later I have seen every doctor under the sun Western Medicine is way behind the 8 ball on what this condition is. I have found one Doctor that is an MD and Naturopath who knows about histamine intolerance and connected it to menopause. We are working to get supplementation right for me. I am feeling better, still struggling with high homocystein and inflammation. Any tips on how to lower systemic inflammation would be great. Love your story and posts and I am hoping to get to a stable place soon. Thanks for sharing. More than anything it is nice to know I am not alone.

    • I think what worked best for me was taking the ginger, the B vitamins, and a vegetarian Omega 3 for starters. But taking the olive oil and using it on my skin made a huge difference immediately. That’s when I noticed a big difference. I started to sleep better from the first night.

      Good luck! Sounds like you’re on the right track.

      • Shana says:

        I love yr stuff! Low HIst Chef sent me, and am I glad! Just preparing for histamine/mast cell testing or I’d be trying out alot of yr ideas — i do wonder what brand of olive oil u favor, esp given the big controversy on which ones are real olive oil and which diluted….

      • I buy Colavita. It’s about ten bucks a bottle. It burns when I take a spoonful and it makes me cough. Two good signs that it’s real.

        There’s a gal in Germany who’s done a lot of research on olive oil for curing eczema . I have to find the link to her site. She’s specific about which country produces the best with the highest amount of polyphenols. I’ll get back to you in another reply.

  18. Elke says:

    OMG I am so thankful to find this site. Been itching for the past 6 months and have been trying to figure out what is wrong. Started on my hands, then back of my neck and now on my legs. I cannot get rid of it. Derm said it was contact dermatitis. I am 47, have been eating plant based for 26 yrs without ever having any skin issues. Always super healthy. All of a sudden this started. I don’t have any other peri menopause symptoms but this is the only thing that makes sense. Can you send me the link
    on the German lady who writes about the olive oil. Also, do you list your diet and what you
    avoid? So happy to find this site! Just put some olive oil on my legs and it seems to not bother me.

  19. Elke says:

    Been reading so much I think my head is going to explode. The olive oil
    is amazing and worked wonders for my dry areas. I purchased some Mega Quercetin. How long does it take to see results? Did nothing the first few days. Been using Vit C. It seems that most people have more symptoms than just one like me which makes me wonder. I realized about 2 wks ago that I have been using a crazy amount of organic cinnamon every day w my breakfast. The increase coincides w the rashes. Probably consuming over a teaspoon daily. Found out it also has coumarin a toxic substance which can damage the liver. I wonder if this could have tipped the scale for me. I have not used it for over 2 weeks but I still have the rash. Also,
    been overdoing the dark chocolate which could be part of it too. So frustrating b/c I do not see a big difference with
    what I an eating. I went a week where I changed my diet around and ate very simply. I also cut out coffee, nuts, seeds,chocolate but did not see a difference. Read the post about cold weather. I live in WPB and too notice the cold really makes the itching worse. Have you heard of anyone using organic sulphur? Not MSM but the pure organic sulphur. Onions and garlic are super high in sulphur. I am going to try this too. I read somewhere that our menstrual cycle is a vehicle for women
    to detoxify and when things slow down the body is bombarded with toxins. Could this be part if the puzzle. I juice, do smoothies, use the sauna to detox and use liver detoxifying herbs so I feel as detoxed as one can be. Frustrating when u feel like u are doing everything right and all of a sudden something crazy like this pops up.

    • Omg a teaspoon of cinnamon a day?! That’s a huge amount!

      I think it takes a couple of weeks for the quercetin to really have an effect. And changes don’t necessarily happen over night. It took me three months to get everything under control.

      Eating differently for a week is not going to do it. It takes way more work than that!

      In my opinion the problem is not toxins in the body. It’s histamine. So whether you detox or not might not really help. You can eat cleanly but if you eat the thing that is your trigger, even something as healthy as spinach, if it’s your trigger you’re going to feel it.

      And the sauna could raise your histamine level too I would think.

  20. Elke says:

    Thanks. So after you eliminate your trigger foods how long does it take to see a
    difference? I was loading the cinnamon on my Cappuccino and my oatmeal. I also
    make some raw food breakfasts and they add a lot of cinnamon. Crazy I know!
    When I read your blog it sounds like you eat something and notice the itching shortly after. My itching happens many hours after I eat. Usually at night once I relax. Then I go days without itching but the rash on my legs will not go away. I will keep taking the quercetin and see what happens. The sauna actually seems to calm everything for me.

    • I saw a difference immediately, but it took six months for it to really be under control and a full year before I felt I was pretty much back to normal.

      The immediate difference was being able to identify the triggers and eliminate them to stop all the symptoms. So within about three months I could control what was going on. But you don’t want to have to live off an elimination diet, so the next step is bringing your body back into balance and adding foods back in with no reaction.

      So in essence, every day I felt I was getting a handle on it. One day the itch on my arm stopped and the next day my leg stopped itching. It ebbed away. It didn’t just stop all at once. It receded.

      I think people think it stops all at once. For me that was not the case.

  21. Melanie says:

    What do you think of arnica as an anithistamine? I feel it has helped me.

  22. Elisabeth says:

    Dear Dale,
    Thank you so much for this site! You’re a wonderful woman to try to help others. I have been very ill since perimenopause with so many symptoms, mainly neurological. ER doctors thought I had a stroke, but it was later determined not to be. But in three years of going to a dozen doctors, no on could tell me what it was. During that entire three years, I really suffered (could not think at all, horrible head pressure, extreme panic attacks, partial paralysis, bubbles circulating in my blood, vertigo, extreme migraines, more). It wasn’t until a year ago that I had a reaction to food that caused anaphylaxis symptoms that sent me to the ER (this actually happened three times before I made the connection). After researching, I realized that I had had a histamine reaction. This sent me to a digestive doctor who diagnosed me with not only histamine intolerance, but also SIBO (she feels that the SIBO has caused the histamine; also the bubbles in my blood, I believe, was gas–hydrogen & methane caused by either the histamine or SIBO). She has tried to eradicate the SIBO, but I had such intense die-off that my body could not handle it (almost to the point of having a real stroke). I’m going to try your supplement list to try to decrease the histamine in my body and then try the SIBO treatment again. I’ve already been on the low-histamine diet for a year and it has helped. BUT, my body is getting so sensitive that I’m down to about three foods that I can actually eat and feel very malnourished. Hopefully, with your supplements, I’ll be able to decrease the histamine and handle more foods without a reaction. In addition, this Spring has been brutal with outside histamines. I’ve noticed a definite increase in my symptoms. I’m going to try a neti pot and a face mask and see if that helps. I want people to know that digestive issues can cause so much illness. In my case, I did not have a rash, this disturbance went mainly to my head. I think menopause decreased my DAO and serotonin which allowed many, many digestive disorders (motility issues, too) to take over (maybe I already had them, but they just exploded during this time). I’m looking forward to reading all your posts and, again, bless you–and all the other women here that are searching for an answer to their sudden health demise. Let’s all help each other. Much love, Elisabeth

  23. Elisabeth says:

    Thank you, Dale. I’ll update everyone with my progress. I forgot to mention that I also believe that I have low stomach acid (HCL) and that may be one of the reasons I’m having trouble digesting pretty much everything. I’m not sure if that’s related to the histamine/SIBO issue or a whole other issue of its own, but others may want to look into this as well. It’s as if my whole digestive system just stopped starting in perimenopause. I’m now through menopause into the post stage and, I too, am hoping that will help. Thanks for you kind words and I am SO glad that you’re doing you’re continuing to feel better. You’re really a special person to start this blog.
    Truly, Elisabeth

  24. Julie says:

    Hi,

    Found your blog after a second round of itchy torso, mostly on my back.

    I am nearly 51 & still getting regular periods.

    In January I had a UTI & the doctor prescribed penicillin based antibiotics which I took for 1 week as prescribed & the UTI cleared up. Then the day after stopping them I started getting the itchy back/torso.

    It lasted 2.5 – 3 weeks, I had random itchy spots of differing sizes & in some areas felt itchy with no obvious spots. The itch moves around my back mostly with no pattern & the itch jumping from place to place especially if I start scratching it. It feels like I have fleas biting me all over the area. Incredibly itchy!!!

    I researched online – thought maybe a reaction to the penicillin – doctor advised not likely as rash was minimal & not what they usually see in such cases.

    So I thought maybe some sort of mite or lice from hay ( we have a farm), tried the scabies lotion, no help.

    Thought maybe stress reaction as busy work time & also getting ready to go on a holiday.

    Then I thought heat rash as we had been having humid weather & it was isolated to the back mostly where there was less air flow, sweating etc.

    It just went away after the 2- 3 weeks & I forgot about it until half way through our cruise holiday (about 6 weeks after the initial outbreak) I suddenly get itchy again one evening after having been on an island for the day. I had a few spots & one also on my stomach.

    I had eaten pineapple & also peanuts that day both of which I hadn’t had for a while – the itchy back is still here a week alter, although less severe than the first outbreak & almost not that noticeable on some days – maybe because I was distracted? Today it is worse, I ate some chocolate last night – so I’m back researching online!!!!

    I did find some relief after I had my husband scrub my back with a facial scrub I had with me on holidays. Then he applied some moisturiser as well, am going to try it again tonight.

    I had ascertained that it must be an internal rather than external cause due to the two different environments it occurred in, plus it’s being mostly isolated to my back/torso.

    I am not 100% sure of the dates of the first event but it seems they may have both started about 1 week prior to my period – but didn’t occur last month.

    Do you think this sounds like peri menopausal histamine issues?

    I’m so hoping it doesn’t progress to anything worse, the itching can drive you crazy!

    I have started a food/itch diary.

    • I would say with everything you describe, and your age, yes it very well could be. Especially since the itching seems cyclical at this point.

      Funny enough, my itch started on my back too. Under a shoulder blade. An itch I just couldn’t get rid of.

      I’m sure the food diary will be very revealing. The foods you mentioned are all high histamine foods. Good luck and come back and report. Or go join the Facebook group so we can really chat.

      Dale

  25. S.R. Lador says:

    Great Blog. I am 64 . starting itching 3 months ago. took a thyroid peroxidese test and normal is 5 and under. mine was 146. Dr said its histimines. I am also gluten intolerant, and have thyroid which means goitergens with certain raw foods. The itch is like others describe. I feel a flush or tingling on my body and then hives, welts, pimples, rashes come out. Different places each day and more at night. I use calendula on my skin which now lets me sleep but does not get rid of the hives.
    I am constantly tired and have not found the triggers. I went off most of the high histomines but not sure about some of the stuff in my smoothie. I use Epic rice protein powder, wheat grass, chia seeds. gelatinized maca, ashwaghana for thyroid, ginger, phyllium husks, nutritional yeast and bee pollen. I used to use raw cacoa and cinamon but gave that up.
    I also stopped apple cider vineagar and pickles and all citrus. I use vit c not sure its the right kind. I think some of my meds may contain gluten from what I recently read, like my leverthyroxene, phenobarbitol( I had a brain tumor, thank g-d beningn removed) and my lovastatin. Trying to find out about those.
    Just found out my vit d contains corn. not sure if i should continue though i am low in vit D. I used to eat 5 brazilian nuts for the selenium but cut that out as nuts r high in histomines. I now take kelp supplements and and selenium supplements.
    one of my biggest problems r aches in legs that feel like arthritis . worse after standing long periods and getting harder to walk far. i have insomnia which i have never had. Hit pillow and was out. anxiety also new. Hoping all this will go away once i find my triggers. But how do you find them. Could be my soap, deodorant, perfume, shampoo, meds. supps, food. How do I figure out what it is?

  26. Susan says:

    Boiron histaminum hydrochloricum 6c got rid of my migraine within about a half hour. Since I discovered the menopause histamine connection many years ago I have been doing the diet and supplements recommended, but still get migraines when I eat too much sugar or high histamine foods. I just read your blog about the funny urine smell and although I have never noticed that I did notice it after taking this histaminum hydrochloricum 6c. It must be because it is lowering the histamine load. Thanks for your blog!

  27. Susan says:

    Yes it is a homeopathic remedy and it has worked for me whenever I get a migraine. It is easy to carry in my purse and take whenever I feel a headache coming on.

  28. Sinead says:

    Hi Dale, just wondering if you have heard of MSM to help? I’m on the olive leaf, vitamin c and ginger capsules but nothing seems to be helping. I am off to see immunologist on Monday so fingers crossed – for what I’m not sure. Was also thinking of starting Quercetin?

    Thanks
    Sinead

    • What’s MSM? I’m terrible with acronyms.

      Quercetin is great. I used that every day three times a day.

      Have you been working on a food diary to help eliminate triggers? It’s not enough to take the supplements if you’re still ingesting or touching something that’s a trigger. I might be stating the obvious but a lot of people write and I lose track of who knows what!

  29. Sinead says:

    Hi Dale,

    You are SO quick to respond. Thank you. MSM is sulphur something. Will have to go back and check. Yes I am keeping a very detailed diary. Last week I could tolerate onions sadly this week it appears not. I’ll order the quercetin tomorrow. What country are you in? I’m in Ireland.

    Thanks again
    Sinead

    • I’m in the US. I live in Miami, Florida.

      Listen I ate sweet potatoes and apples with broccoli for two months. I remember standing in my kitchen crying thinking that’s all I’ll ever be able to eat again. But then I healed. I had to work at it but I did it. Olive oil was a big part of the puzzle as was Omega 3, so do a search on my site and find all the information on those. This is fixable. And you sound very able and willing to do the work so I know you can heal yourself.

      I haven’t been to Ireland yet but hear it’s lovely.

      • Sinead says:

        Sounds lovely. You probably see as much sunshine as we see rain!!

        I am absolutely determined to beat this thing as I have a young family who need me in tip top condition. I had am itch free day yesterday but only ate porridge, apples and a piece of chicken. Good for losing weight but that’s about all.

        I’m not sure the olive leaf is doing anything for me but I’ll keep going with it. I am also drinking home made ginger tea.

        I’ll let you all know how I get on in next few months. Apples and broccoli diet sounds awful. You poor thing.

        Thanks for accompanying me to date.

        Sinead

  30. Candace says:

    Thanks for all the information-very helpful-

  31. Debbie says:

    I am trying to find what I read about dhea and can’t. Partly because I am exhausted and overwhelmed as I start trying to figure out my personal situation. It is banned here in Canada except by prescription.

    • DHEA isn’t something I would take. If you mess with it you can make things worse. You can get this all under control with food. It is not a life sentence. You might have to alter your diet a bit but you do not have to live on an elimination diet the rest of your life. I eat and live very normally. You’ll be climbing another mountain soon enough. But menopause was no picnic for me. The other side of menopause has been wonderful!

  32. I have suffered from eczema for a long time and have been using quercetin and green tea extract to control. Thanks for your suggestion on olive leaf extracts, I have been taking the Comvita brand 10ml/day for 2 weeks and its working wonders on my skin. I have added this supplement to my blog. Cheers!

  33. Terri says:

    Hi Dale, I noticed in your Jan. 15 post on The Low Histamine Chef, you mentioned the supplements you take (ginger capsule, Omega 3 and Olive leaf). Do you no longer take quercetin? Also, are your sleep issues solely itch and body temp related or do you ever feel “wired” in the middle of the night?

    • I do not take Quercetin any longer but I do have it in my house just in case. If I think I’m having a bad reaction I might take it to help put it down.

      If I get all wired and crazy legged at night it’s because I’m dehydrated. My friend and I have come to the conclusion that restless leg happens in us when we’re dehydrated. If I feel that way I get up and have a big glass of water. Usually I can fall asleep right after. Of course I have to get up and pee at five o’clock, but I’ve usually slept really soundly until then.

      Dale

  34. Terri says:

    Thanks Dale, did you find any negative research associated with taking quercetin or are you just trying to reduce supplements?
    thanks.

    • I’m a few years down the road from where I started and don’t need it anymore. Although I still use ginger and olive leaf. I dehydrate and grind my own ginger and buy olive leaves from a grove in north Florida so I know exactly where my supplements come from now. No additives. Just food. I prefer it that way now that I’m healed. But Quercetin was great for me when I was healing. And it works great on my cat when he breaks out with his seasonal skin issues. He has histamine intolerance too!

      • AD says:

        hello are You there?? Just some questions…
        1. Is inulin high in histamine ?in vitamins like B6. Could You check this please?
        2.what about ghee?
        3. What about vit D3 with olive oil premierr esearch labs as supplement?

  35. mimikjohnson says:

    HI AD I would avoid inulin unless you know for sure you dont have SIBO or disbiosis (which is so common with histamine intolerance) Inulin is a prebiotic and can be very strong. Best to get your prebiotics from food in my opionion 🙂

    Hi Dale have you found any anti histamines that are lower on the salicyate list. I cant take any of the supplements you recommend except fish oil. Thanks!!!

  36. Sally says:

    Hi thanks for your great website. I never realised the menopause could be so awful 10 years of suffering brain fog, gastric issues, fatigue, food and medicine in tolerances. 4 years post menopause I decided to try hormone replacement because I felt so weak and I’ve now found out in the worse way what’s wrong with me when it sent me into anaphylaxis and I came across Mast cell problems. Now on low histamine diet and prescribed a mast cell stabiliser but I’ve so far reacted badly to all medicines. What I’d like to know is how do you get past constant in tolerances to be able to take supplements? A child’s dose of antihistamine has sent me into debilitating flare that’s lasted days and I’ve decided no more medicines for me. Feel backed into a corner with no way out. Hoping the estrogen I took will fade away soon only trialled it for two months. I’ve seen people get better ditching medicines and using supplements instead it’s just where do I start if I’m so reactive?

    • You can do a lot of healing with just food alone. I’ve gotten quite a bit of positive feedback from women who try using olive oil like I did. A tablespoon in a morning smoothie can make a difference. And a short elimination diet might get you back in balance. Also, carrots are supposed to help eliminate excess estrogen from the body. Even one raw carrot a day could help. Olive leaf and ginger are the only “supplements” I take now but they are whole foods too. I actually dehydrate ginger and grind it in a coffee grinder and I buy olive leaves from a grove and also grind them. I put both in my smoothie in the morning. A quarter teaspoon of ginger and a half of olive leaf. Cured my hot flashes too!

      Hope that helps.

      Dale

  37. Sally says:

    Thank you for your kind reply and for helping fellow sufferers. Our UK health service have been totally unhelpful and shockingly no compassion at all. I used to be climbing mountains now I’m in a wheelchair and struggling on a daily basis. I was 4 years post menopause was told my symptoms were fibromyalgia but I now know it’s Mast cell problems but had taken the hormones. I will be eating carrots every day till it’s gone! and will be following your getting better protocol. Thank goodness I found your Web page and Yasminas’ you’ve given me hope that I can get better. Thank You!

    • I’m so sorry to hear about your struggles. I can’t imagine going from climbing mountains to needing a wheelchair. This might sound weird but I hope it’s a mast cell problem because I know you can whip it. Please keep in touch and let me know how you’re doing. I want to hear about your next trip up a mountain. Start planning that now while you start your healing.

      Now let’s go eat some carrots!
      Dale

  38. Jesse Grillo says:

    I just stumbled upon your pages. Crazy weird, your website was running when I turned on my Iphone. Fantastic blog!

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